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Title	Investigative Poetics/Total Saturation Job Panel
Performer(s)	Hollo, Anselm; Jarnot, Lisa; Ortiz, Simon; Prevallet, Kristen; Schelling, Andrew (chair); Wilson, Peter Lamborn;
Subject 1	American poetry -- 21st century.
Abstract	A panel with Anselm Hollo, Lisa Jarnot, Simon Ortiz, Peter Lamborn Wilson, Kristen Prevallet, and Andrew Schelling. The panelists discuss investigative poetics -- poetics based on significant prior investigation into a particular topic, person, history, etc. -- their own personal projects, and giving suggestions to people pursuing investigative poetics for themselves.
Content	0:08 - Andrew Schelling (chair) briefly introduces the panel and panelists. Discusses how this panel fits into the SWP and what the title is all about -- a story about Charles Olson and Ed Dorn. How focused curiosity into one topic draws you into an Indra's Net of investigation. The collaborative nature of the writing enterprise. Olson's "curriculum of the soul" as good advice for writers. 15:15 - Lisa Jarnot speaks about her own investigative poetics and how they work -- writing a biography of Robert Duncan; high school investigations of musicians and Allen Ginsberg; and learning more about herself, or oneself. 21:00 - Anselm Hollo speaks on different resonances for the title: muckraking private eyes, military antecedents. Comparison between our need to research now and the vast education/information easily available to past bards -- Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, etc. 27:10 - Simon Ortiz on investigative poetics -- how we as poets and a society have never really investigated ourselves fearlessly and honestly. That process happening with Mayan people of Chiapas and Guatemala. His book From Sand Creek. His own history in US Army and with alcoholism. 36:30 - Kristin Prevallet on need to investigate self, and her own projects. Brief references to Edouard Glissant, Olson, and then more on her project that began with Helen Adam's papers (who wrote ballads, was part of the San Francisco literary scene with Robert Duncan). Investigative poetics as a state of mind. Discusses the anthology, 100 Days, that was distributed on the 100th day of GW Bush's presidency, as an example of doing a project without drawing it out or making it so daunting. 42:10 - Peter Lamborn Wilson discusses an interview he read with James K. Billington, head of the library of congress, who also wrote a book on the French Revolution. The article was on the Internet, and the difference between data and knowledge. Internet library scandals. Himself as reader of investigative poetics more than as a writer of them. 47:15 - Tape side change. Wilson continues talking about local investigative subjects for him, living in the Hudson Valley -- eugenics, anti-rent war, other "lost histories." 52:15 - Schelling responds to Wilson's comments on data. 53:20 - Hollo on his detestation for the words "total saturation job" and how hobbies can saturate without affecting your writing -- like his for Robert Louis Stevenson and Buffalo Bill Cody -- and that's okay. 55:40 - Panel opens to questions. ? for Jarnot on how Robert Zimmerman's interest in Woody Guthrie created Bob Dylan; whether it's necessary to saturate the self to find the self; and Woody Guthrie as a great America poet. 59:00 - Bill Scheffel asks a question on globalization as privatization re: implications for history with privatization of images. 62:50 - Comment on the similarities between Indra's Net and how our brain's work with neurons. Questions about whether total saturation jobs can be a way to avoid the self and discipline. 70:15 - Question on what it is about poetry as a form that slows our investigation down, vs. data-ful prose. 76:55 - Comment on Microsoft buying UPI vault of images. 77:45 - Comment on the brain and memory. 78:28 - Anne Waldman comment/questions on how we investigate ourselves and our karmic net, and where we get the strength, esp. directed to Ortiz with his Sand Creek investigations. 83:52 - Question on how people of privilege can say no. 84:45 - Panel ends. Waldman introduces other teachers for the week.
Type of Event	panel
Engineer's Notes	Lots of background hiss. About 5 sec. from the beginning and the end. Speech volume set lower than usual because background
Date Recorded	2001-07-02
File Format	mp3
Performance Length	1:26:28
Rights Information	Copyright release given to Naropa University for the purposes of preservation, marketing and educational use. All other rights reserved to individual performers.
Department	Writing
Original Format	Audio cassette
Publisher	Allen Ginsberg Library and Naropa University Archives
Type	Sound
Language	eng
File Name	01P061.mp3

Investigative Poetics/Total Saturation Job Panel

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