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Title
Chogyam
Trungpa
Rinpoche
Talk
with
Naropa
Students
Performer(s)
Hayward
,
Jeremy
;
Ray
,
Reggie
;
Trungpa
,
Chogyam
Rinpoche
Subject 1
Naropa
Institute
.
Abstract
A
discussion
between
Chogyam
Trungpa
Rinpoche
and
students
on the
state
of the
university
.
Content
00:07
Introduction
of
forum
and
Trungpa
:
Purpose
is
to
talk
about
work
at
Naropa
00:50
Asks
for
audience
to
ask
questions
01:35
Question
about
putting
together
intuition
and
intellect
01:55
Trungpa
-
Situation
to
study
and
we
look
at and
try
to
find
out
how that
discovery
fits
our
life
.
Intuition
begins
to
inform
our
discovery
. If
it
is
worthwhile
perusing
then
intuition
and
intellect
align
03:50
What
is
the
intuition
portion
?
04:05
Trungpa
-
based
on the
hunger
04:50
Question
about
school
in
LA
05:19
Trungpa
-
Answers
that
Naropa
could
work
together
with
it
.
08:34
Democracy
was
compared
to
monarchy
in a
previous
speech
;
concerns
how
monarchy
can
apply
to
Buddhist
community
.
Could
just
call
it
what
it
is
without
explaining
09:23
Trungpa
-
Question
of
leadership
is
interesting
-
org
is
living
org.
;
trying
to
develop
a
brain
.
One
is
an
“octopus”
model
,
other
is
human
body
.
Relatively
simple
physique
in
human
model
. In
Buddhist
example
leadership
is
not
intended
to
put
lid
on
society
-
that
is
how the
west
does
it
.
Hierarchy
is
in
place
to
aspire
, not
suppress
.
13:24
Seems
to be a
lot
of
concern
about
hierarchy
between
administration
and
students
and
lack
of
communication
.
Students
don’t
seem
able
to
do
anything
constructive
.
14:06
Trungpa
-
Much
of what
you
say
is
right
. If
you
begin
to
feel
everyone
is
on a
journey
,
instead
of
admin
just
furniture
. If
students
feel
admin/leadership
is
on a
journey
then
no
problem
. But
needs
a
lot
of
gentleness
.
Lot
of
students
are
angry
young
people
and
go
against
admin
, and
consider
it
field
work
.
Admin
is
currently
not on
ego-trip
.
17:43
Question
:
No
dogma
, but
underlying
sense
is
Buddhist
.
Some
students
sit
but
don’t
follow
a
Buddhist
path
-
please
discuss
your
thoughts
.
18:25
Trungpa
-
Sitting
not
building
self
up
or
breaking
down
but
just
discovering
who
we
are
-
fundamental
positiveness
.
(explains
dogma)
Naropa
has
dogma
but
doesn’t
pursue
uniformity
-
expects
people
to
develop
their
own
style
.
21:33
Describe
difference
between
Buddhologist
and
Buddhist
21:42
Reggie
Ray
Answers
-
Buddhologist
considers
it
a
vehicle
for
ambition
not
personal
discovery
22:30
Trungpa
expands
:
Buddhologist
field
developed
from
comparative
studies
.
24:35
A
lot
of
reading
is
done
by
Buddhologist
,
that’s
a
problem
?
24:50
Trungpa
-
If
you
practice
there are
enough
nuts
and
bolts
within
those
texts
26:40
Value
in
studying
and
discussing
levels
of the
path
without
experience
27:00
Trungpa
-
It’s
like
having
a
map
, and
knowing
what to
expect
28:35
Treatment
at
mental
illness
institute
is
pills
and
student
feels
off
about
administering
“numbing”
medication
29:20
Trungpa
-
Psychological
problems
can
be
overcome
through
environment
largely
.
Trying
to
develop
a
world
where
things
don’t
have to be
told
intellectually
, but
it’s
always
ok
to
feel
that
way
.
Medicine
can
be
bridge
, but
won’t
make
anyone
sane
.
Just
giving
pills
of
madness
,
vicious
cycle
.
We
should be
brave
in
helping
people
even
when
environment
is
not
accommodating
, but if
can
find
element
of
sanity
use
it
.
33:00
Any
practicality
in
Buddhist
type
clinic
?
33:28
Trungpa
-
Yes
.
Shambhala
is
about
save
enlightened
society
33:48
Seems
pragmatically
impossible
34:00
Trungpa
-
Having
credentials
is
not
problematic
.
Problem
is
if
society
provokes
aggression
, and then
angry
to
keep
up
with the
world
.
Don’t
give
into
aggression
.
Try
to
work
from
inspiration
and
richness
.
Doesn’t
have to be
extravagant
to be
rich
36:00
Question
about
credentials
.
Naropa
is
a
Buddhist
institute
. On the
diploma
the
date
of
graduation
was
noted
in
Western
and
Buddhist
calendar
37:35
Not
Buddhist
but
Eastern/Oriental
40:05
Naropa
is
not
resting
and
relaxing
;
falling
asleep
on the
cushion
.
When
students
find
a
home
at
Naropa
it
is
over
.
Ongoing
exploration
and
odyssey
;
people
worry
about
what
planet
we
will
land
on
-
hostile
;
Buddhist
.
When
you
hold
you
see
journey
and
keep
going
.
We
are not
talking
about
taking
over
the
world
but
constant
exploration
. If
become
ideal
traveler
then
you
join
together
intellect
and
intuition
42:50
How
it
translates
with
diploma
is
to
keep
people
on
toes
?
43:00
Yes
we
keep
people
awake
43:35
Purpose
of
Naropa
and
Shambhala
similar
.
Could
you
talk
about
how
arts
in
creating
some
society
.
44:38
End
of
side
1
45:05
Trungpa
-
One
discovery
is
not the
home
ground
that
you
can
defend
the
enemy
so
to
speak
, but a
discovery
through
the
arts
as
well
.
Good
art
is
universal
;
bad
is
associated
with
one
culture
.
Transcultural
aspect
is
aligned
with
Shambhala
vision
of
connected
to
society
. As
long
as
we
don’t
trip
and
get
comfortable
.
Question
we
are
working
on
is
territoriality
.
47:50
Can
you
say
a
bit
about
those
who
want
to
know
more/immerse
in what they
do
48:05
Trungpa
-
Right
, that would be
ego-tripping
.
Practice
can
be
regression
or
expansion
. If
confident
and
open
while
immersed
then
can
expand
49:15
There
seems
to be an
aggressive
element
to
education
.
Debate
,
confrontation
in
Western
approach
is
put
into
contrast
at
Naropa
.
Is
some
of
our
confusion
a
product
of
reverting
back
and
superimpose
old
way
into
Naropa
?
52:20
Trungpa
Western
wants
to
put
spin
on
everything
,
so
that
no
one
can
win
except
person
spinning
.
Discipline
is
not
competitiveness
-
proper
conduct
and
appreciation
of what
we
are
studying
.
Further
evolvement
.
Some
kind
of
developing
oneself
, not
winning
a
race
.
Once
all
nervousness
and
tension
gone
relaxation
is
encouraging
.
World
is
livable
and
hospitable
,
sharing
some
kind
of
joy
.
Tells
administration
that
too
. There
is
no
place
to
rest
, but
still
delightful
.
56:20
Emphasis
on
arts
,
is
that
important
to
developing
intuition
?
56:55
Trungpa
-
Art
very
immediate
,
instant
response
. Not
mimic
teacher
,
trying
to
develop
some
sense
of
emulation
.
Teachers
are
making
journey
too
.
Endless
journey
.
61:15
Do
you
feel
our
discipline
we
confine
space
to
work
out
our
neurosis
without
sitting
.
61:40
Trungpa
-
Sitting
meditation
is
personal
experience
. If
you
feel
you
need
a
reference
point
for
relating
to
space
then
you
need
to
sit
. Not
mandatory
though
, but has
strange
effect
on
people
.
General
awareness
of
discipline
all
the
time
.
64:25
Trungpa
-
Develop
spontaneity
in
practice
through
sitting
.
Life
is
not
all
that
technical
.
Trying
to
develop
something
intrinsic
when
there
is
confidence
.
65:58
An
enlightened
society
? What
is
that? How
is
Naropa
contributing
?
66:30
Hayward
answers
:
Recognizing
difficulty
in
communication
and
continuing
to
communicate
in
spite
of
it
is
part
of an
enlightened
society
. Its not
separate
from what
we
are.
Allowing
the
intelligence
to
flourish
69:10
The
world
is
ours
,
we
have
our
world
and
it
is
up
to us to
create
our
world
. But
people
like
neurosis
;
smelly
and
warm
.
We
can
step
out
of that
simultaneously
,
it
has been
done
in the
past
, and
we
can
do
it
.
71:30
End
of
Audio
71:31
Seems
to be
voices
on
tape
after
talk
with
students
ends
(inaudible)
Type of Event
talk
Engineer's Notes
good
Date Recorded
1978-02-15
File Format
mp3
Performance Length
1:11:31
Rights Information
Copyright
release
given
to
Naropa
University
for the
purposes
of
preservation
,
marketing
and
educational
use
.
All
other
rights
reserved
to
individual
performers
.
Department
general
Original Format
Audio Cassette
Tape Order
1 of 1
Publisher
Allen Ginsberg Library and Naropa University Archives
Type
Sound
Language
eng
File Name
O-78002.mp3
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